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		<title>By: suzy</title>
		<link>http://parunak.com/pursuingtitus2/2009/08/18/crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-16069</link>
		<dc:creator>suzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful post!
I had to smile at your description of your toddler girl. Sounds just too much like my little two year old!</description>
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I had to smile at your description of your toddler girl. Sounds just too much like my little two year old!</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
		<link>http://parunak.com/pursuingtitus2/2009/08/18/crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-15881</link>
		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mrs P ,in answer to Rachel mainstream is a colloquial term used in NewZealand for the norm, tho from a country that brought you Shrek, Lord of the rings, Narnia and Rocky Horror New Zealand is hardly the norm, oh and Russell Crowe was born here.Anyway, I still believe wise parenting takes into account your child&#039;s personality, it depends on what parenting book you read and of course that goes for kids in church. Many sentences in scripture could be taken as gospel and huge christian movements including the non Sunday school one, begun from them.At the end of the day we are training up our childen to do the Lord&#039;s work we can&#039;t let whatever philosophy we&#039;re set in affect that children&#039;s walk, heaven forbid we are incorrect.Maybe we need to rethink what we&#039;re doing at times.From Linda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mrs P ,in answer to Rachel mainstream is a colloquial term used in NewZealand for the norm, tho from a country that brought you Shrek, Lord of the rings, Narnia and Rocky Horror New Zealand is hardly the norm, oh and Russell Crowe was born here.Anyway, I still believe wise parenting takes into account your child&#8217;s personality, it depends on what parenting book you read and of course that goes for kids in church. Many sentences in scripture could be taken as gospel and huge christian movements including the non Sunday school one, begun from them.At the end of the day we are training up our childen to do the Lord&#8217;s work we can&#8217;t let whatever philosophy we&#8217;re set in affect that children&#8217;s walk, heaven forbid we are incorrect.Maybe we need to rethink what we&#8217;re doing at times.From Linda.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://parunak.com/pursuingtitus2/2009/08/18/crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-15770</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to giggle when one of the comments said something about the craziness of trying to live a mainstream existence with a heap of kids. I hardly think you are trying to live a main stream existence, whatever that actually means! I think that it is important for children to learn contentment in adult situations such as Church, (yes it is for children too, but a 2 year old might glean more at the beginning from their parents involvement.) and even lunch a pristine condo. Lots of work? Yes 99% of the time, but that does not mean it should not be attempted. I used to watch kids that had never been required to sit at a table to eat, their family didn&#039;t eat meals together so they just kind of ate on the fly whenever it suited their fancy. Those poor kids did not know how to sit still through a dinner conversation, but it was hardly their fault. 

My two year old is a finicky eater, and gets antsy during any meal many times, but he is learning how to sit (and hopefully eventually eat!) and reaches out his hands to hold ours when we say the blessing. He usually whispers something that includes &quot;Jesus&quot; and then ends with a hearty &quot;Amen!&quot; after my husband or I finish praying. Its pretty special, even though I know right now it is just mimicry. 

I am glad for husbands like yours and mine who are happy to make time in their schedules to spend time with the kids so we can go work out, (as much as I wish it were just shopping or coffee time, working out is something that needs to be a priority for me right now... I have this baby weight gone but I still have several pounds of weight from my first that never wanted to leave:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to giggle when one of the comments said something about the craziness of trying to live a mainstream existence with a heap of kids. I hardly think you are trying to live a main stream existence, whatever that actually means! I think that it is important for children to learn contentment in adult situations such as Church, (yes it is for children too, but a 2 year old might glean more at the beginning from their parents involvement.) and even lunch a pristine condo. Lots of work? Yes 99% of the time, but that does not mean it should not be attempted. I used to watch kids that had never been required to sit at a table to eat, their family didn&#8217;t eat meals together so they just kind of ate on the fly whenever it suited their fancy. Those poor kids did not know how to sit still through a dinner conversation, but it was hardly their fault. </p>
<p>My two year old is a finicky eater, and gets antsy during any meal many times, but he is learning how to sit (and hopefully eventually eat!) and reaches out his hands to hold ours when we say the blessing. He usually whispers something that includes &#8220;Jesus&#8221; and then ends with a hearty &#8220;Amen!&#8221; after my husband or I finish praying. Its pretty special, even though I know right now it is just mimicry. </p>
<p>I am glad for husbands like yours and mine who are happy to make time in their schedules to spend time with the kids so we can go work out, (as much as I wish it were just shopping or coffee time, working out is something that needs to be a priority for me right now&#8230; I have this baby weight gone but I still have several pounds of weight from my first that never wanted to leave:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Parunak</title>
		<link>http://parunak.com/pursuingtitus2/2009/08/18/crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-15593</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Parunak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda,

Of course we&#039;re still friends! I&#039;m sorry you felt like I was putting words in your mouth. That wasn&#039;t my intention. Thank you again for all your thought provoking comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,</p>
<p>Of course we&#8217;re still friends! I&#8217;m sorry you felt like I was putting words in your mouth. That wasn&#8217;t my intention. Thank you again for all your thought provoking comments.</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
		<link>http://parunak.com/pursuingtitus2/2009/08/18/crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-15582</link>
		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mrs P,I must add that I don&#039;t thinl it&#039;s wrong of yu to have metime or go to the gym. Just that at the gym you could be setting yourself up for a fall in a no- win situation.Alot of people there will think alot differently to you and think their way no matter what,for them to respect you they need to know you. Just like me who cannot for the life of me understand any one going to the gym,my husband says I&#039;m a lost cause when it comes to understanding gyms. Also I  love having my children off my hands at Sunday school and I wish my church had a creche it&#039;s nice for them to get a break from me the poor things!Fom Linda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mrs P,I must add that I don&#8217;t thinl it&#8217;s wrong of yu to have metime or go to the gym. Just that at the gym you could be setting yourself up for a fall in a no- win situation.Alot of people there will think alot differently to you and think their way no matter what,for them to respect you they need to know you. Just like me who cannot for the life of me understand any one going to the gym,my husband says I&#8217;m a lost cause when it comes to understanding gyms. Also I  love having my children off my hands at Sunday school and I wish my church had a creche it&#8217;s nice for them to get a break from me the poor things!Fom Linda.</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mrs P, I actually didn&#039;t say any of those things so please do not put words in my mouth ,I actually said its crazy to spend money on a gym membership. I also said you can witness elsewhere- I didn&#039;t say you could not witness at the gym. However since you perhaps would like to know my opinion rather than assume it, here we go. When in Rome do as the romans do, most people at the gym will assume you are going there because you are concerned about your baby fat- your words not mine, also most people at the gym probaby think that a gym membership could possibly be a stupid waste of money-even if they go there- perhaps you could be giving your money to the poor instead of going to a gym is what they might think. The non-christianns of this world sometimes see things more clearly and straight up than christians who spend alot of time justifying themselves. Sorry to be so frank but I really don&#039;t like words being put in my mouth.Have a nice break walking the dog instead or visiting a friend. I hope we are still friends.From Linda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mrs P, I actually didn&#8217;t say any of those things so please do not put words in my mouth ,I actually said its crazy to spend money on a gym membership. I also said you can witness elsewhere- I didn&#8217;t say you could not witness at the gym. However since you perhaps would like to know my opinion rather than assume it, here we go. When in Rome do as the romans do, most people at the gym will assume you are going there because you are concerned about your baby fat- your words not mine, also most people at the gym probaby think that a gym membership could possibly be a stupid waste of money-even if they go there- perhaps you could be giving your money to the poor instead of going to a gym is what they might think. The non-christianns of this world sometimes see things more clearly and straight up than christians who spend alot of time justifying themselves. Sorry to be so frank but I really don&#8217;t like words being put in my mouth.Have a nice break walking the dog instead or visiting a friend. I hope we are still friends.From Linda.</p>
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		<title>By: Rina</title>
		<link>http://parunak.com/pursuingtitus2/2009/08/18/crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-15539</link>
		<dc:creator>Rina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs. P, I love your humility and your willingness to look back on things and admit the mistakes you made.  Your willingness to do that is so helpful for those of us who often make the same mistakes... sometimes without even realizing it.  It sounds like you had a rough day and I&#039;m sorry for that.  But as always I&#039;m grateful that you&#039;ve shared your experience with us... and the lessons you&#039;ve learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. P, I love your humility and your willingness to look back on things and admit the mistakes you made.  Your willingness to do that is so helpful for those of us who often make the same mistakes&#8230; sometimes without even realizing it.  It sounds like you had a rough day and I&#8217;m sorry for that.  But as always I&#8217;m grateful that you&#8217;ve shared your experience with us&#8230; and the lessons you&#8217;ve learned.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Parunak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Parunak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda,

It&#039;s been great to hear from you again! Thanks for your comments.

I think I need to clarify the whole gym thing. There is nothing fundamentally sinful about going to a gym. There are lots of things associated with some gyms that are not good, but the existence of those problems does not mean that gyms are out of the question for all Christians under all circumstances.

For example, you could point out the problem of immodesty and body image obsession that plagues so many gyms. This is very bad, but it is a problem with immodesty and body image obsession, not gyms. As it turns out, the gym I go to, Curves, is only for women and caters to middle aged and retired clients. There is almost no body image obsession and very little immodesty, much, much less than at the grocery store. Most ladies don&#039;t even bother with make-up, let alone get crazy about needing to be perfectly toned.

You could also argue that gyms are bad because women leave their children in the care of other people to go to them. This could really be a problem. A dear cousin of mine quit her gym membership because her baby was so miserable in the childcare room (and if you&#039;ve read my blog long enough, you know how I feel about childcare). But this is a problem with childcare, not with gyms. In my case, my children are home with their Daddy when I go to the gym, so this is not an issue for us.

You could say that women do not need &quot;me time,&quot; or should not be away from their families. And I am certainly very leery of seeking after away time too much. I think that families should be together as much as possible. However, the problem here is the desire to be away from your family, not the gym itself. In my case, the gym is the ONLY thing I do away from my family, and I&#039;m not doing it because I want to &quot;get away&quot; but because I believe it&#039;s important to health to get exercise, and buying my own equipment in not very convenient for our family given our extremely limited space.

You could say that if a woman is lonely or wants to be a witness that there are many more wholesome places to get friends, or more convenient mission fields than the local gym. And this is certainly true. However, this does not preclude going to the gym to exercise and them being friendly and a good witness while you&#039;re there since that&#039;s the Christian thing to do in all environments. And this is exactly what I&#039;m trying to do. I&#039;m not going there specifically to meet people, although I do meet a lot of people. I&#039;m going because I want to be a good steward of the body God has given me, to try to maintain a healthy weight, good cardiovascular health, and muscle tone to support my joints as I bear children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been great to hear from you again! Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>I think I need to clarify the whole gym thing. There is nothing fundamentally sinful about going to a gym. There are lots of things associated with some gyms that are not good, but the existence of those problems does not mean that gyms are out of the question for all Christians under all circumstances.</p>
<p>For example, you could point out the problem of immodesty and body image obsession that plagues so many gyms. This is very bad, but it is a problem with immodesty and body image obsession, not gyms. As it turns out, the gym I go to, Curves, is only for women and caters to middle aged and retired clients. There is almost no body image obsession and very little immodesty, much, much less than at the grocery store. Most ladies don&#8217;t even bother with make-up, let alone get crazy about needing to be perfectly toned.</p>
<p>You could also argue that gyms are bad because women leave their children in the care of other people to go to them. This could really be a problem. A dear cousin of mine quit her gym membership because her baby was so miserable in the childcare room (and if you&#8217;ve read my blog long enough, you know how I feel about childcare). But this is a problem with childcare, not with gyms. In my case, my children are home with their Daddy when I go to the gym, so this is not an issue for us.</p>
<p>You could say that women do not need &#8220;me time,&#8221; or should not be away from their families. And I am certainly very leery of seeking after away time too much. I think that families should be together as much as possible. However, the problem here is the desire to be away from your family, not the gym itself. In my case, the gym is the ONLY thing I do away from my family, and I&#8217;m not doing it because I want to &#8220;get away&#8221; but because I believe it&#8217;s important to health to get exercise, and buying my own equipment in not very convenient for our family given our extremely limited space.</p>
<p>You could say that if a woman is lonely or wants to be a witness that there are many more wholesome places to get friends, or more convenient mission fields than the local gym. And this is certainly true. However, this does not preclude going to the gym to exercise and them being friendly and a good witness while you&#8217;re there since that&#8217;s the Christian thing to do in all environments. And this is exactly what I&#8217;m trying to do. I&#8217;m not going there specifically to meet people, although I do meet a lot of people. I&#8217;m going because I want to be a good steward of the body God has given me, to try to maintain a healthy weight, good cardiovascular health, and muscle tone to support my joints as I bear children.</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mrs P, you can meet people gardening in front of your section.Amen to what La sandra said.Trumball says to work with a child&#039;s nature for the best. Keep at it you&#039;ll be great.From Linda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mrs P, you can meet people gardening in front of your section.Amen to what La sandra said.Trumball says to work with a child&#8217;s nature for the best. Keep at it you&#8217;ll be great.From Linda.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrea! 
This post is a breath of fresh and I LOVE IT!  What a great reminder...  Self pity?? or Eternal focus??  The choice is ours.  Love to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrea!<br />
This post is a breath of fresh and I LOVE IT!  What a great reminder&#8230;  Self pity?? or Eternal focus??  The choice is ours.  Love to you.</p>
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